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author Yoshua Bengio <bengioy@iro.umontreal.ca>
date Sat, 07 Aug 2010 22:54:54 -0400
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Reviewer_1 claims that handwriting recognition is essentially solved: we
believe this is not true. Yes the best methods have been getting
essentially human performance in the case of clean digits. But we are not
aware of previous papers achieving human performance on the full character
set. It is clear from our own experimentation (play with the demo to
convince yourself) that humans still clearly outperform machines when the
characters are heavily distorted (e.g. as in our NISTP dataset).


"...not intended to compete with the state-of-the-art...": We had included
comparisons with the state-of-the-art on the NIST dataset (and beat it).


"the demonstrations that self-taught learning can help deep learners is
helpful": indeed, but it is even more interesting to consider the result
that self-taught learning was found *more helpful for deep learners than
for shallow ones*. Since out-of-distribution data is common (especially
out-of-class data), this is of practical importance.

Reviewer_4, "It would also be interesting to compare to SVMs...": ordinary
SVMs cannot be used on such large datasets. We will explore SVM variants
such as the suggestion made to add SVM results to the paper.


"...it would be helpful to provide some theoretical analysis...": indeed,
but this appears mathematically challenging (to say the least, since deep
models involve a non-convex optimization) or would likely require very
strong distributional assumptions. However, previous
theoretical literature already provides some answers, e.g.,
Jonathan Baxter's (COLT 1995) "Learning internal
representations". The argument is about sharing capacity across
tasks to improve generalization: lower layers features can potentially 
be shared across tasks. Whereas a one-hidden-layer MLP can only share linear
features, a deep architecture can share non-linear ones which have the
potential for representing more abstract concepts.

Reviewer_5 about semi-supervised learning: In the unsupervised phase, no
labels are used. In the supervised fine-tuning phase, all labels are used.
So this is *not* the semi-supervised setting, which was already previously
studied [5], showing the advantage of depth. Instead, we focus here
on the out-of-distribution aspect of self-taught learning.

"...human errors may be present...": Indeed, there are variations across
human labelings, which have have estimated (since each character was viewed
by 3 different humans), and reported in the paper (the standard deviations
across humans are large, but the standard error across a large test set is
very small, so we believe the average error numbers to be fairly accurate).

"...supplement, but I did not have access to it...": strange!  We could
(and still can) access it. We will include a complete pseudo-code of SDAs
in it.

"...main contributions of the manuscript...": the main contribution is
actually to show that the self-taught learning setting is more beneficial
to deeper architectures.

"...restriction to MLPs...": that restriction was motivated by the
computational challenge of training on nearly a billion examples. Linear
models do not fare well here, and most non-parametric models do not scale
well, so MLPs (which have been used before on this task) were natural as
the baseline. We will explore the use of SVM approximations, as suggested
by Reviewer_1.

"Reviewer 6:...novelty [..] is somewhat marginal since [...] reminiscent of
prior work on character recognition using deformations and
transformations".  Main originality = showing that deep learners
can take more advantage than shallow learners of such data and of the
self-taught learning framework in general.